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  From:  RahabsHope   8/25/2001 11:08 pm  
To:  ALL   (1 of 10)  
 
  182.1  
 
Hello, 
Can anyone tell me about Lancelot C. Knight, Pastor of Kings Chapel. 
I have been concerned with what he truly believes concerning the human 
races. I have gone to his site and I feel he has not been forthcoming 
on WHY he believes what he believes. He seems fair and truth, but his recommendation of the book, Tracing Our Ancestors is distrubing to me because the author believes that Noah and his family were white and that all non-white races were somewhat inferior and brought into the ark as the animals were...male and female of each race. This is 
closely related to the "Christian Identity" cult religion that aryan groups and the KKK are linked up with. Lance's mentor is Arnold Murray. 

Question 1: Is Lancelot C. Knight his real name? 
Question 2: Other than his shady beliefs, is he linked with some 
questionable groups? 

Thank you
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   8/26/2001 1:40 pm  
To:  RahabsHope   (2 of 10)  
 
  182.2 in reply to 182.1  
 
Lancelot C. Knight sure as heck isn't his real name. Look at it, for heaven's sake! What person in their right mind would name their kid "Lancelot C." when they already have the last name of "Knight"? That would be like nameing a kid "Luke Sky" when your last name is "Walker". 
This man is obviously a cult leader. Nowhere in all of the world's big three religions does it state that other races were "animals" on the ark. Anyone with half a brain already knows that Jesus himself probably wasn't even white not to mention Noah! Often people take the solid, established beliefs of others and add a new twist on them. Why? Because it reels in a following quicker then traditional methods. It also gains what is called a "selective following"; men and women who normally only believe in something to a minor degree until mob psychology takes over, then they become complete fanatics. In this case, Knight is aiming his ministry towards conservative Christians who, while not outright racist, have been looking for some justification to be racist. In short, this man is trying to turn his sheep into an army for his racial beliefs. With this in mind, I feel that it wouldn't be too far off to say that he probably has some tie into the KKK or Aryan Nation. 

Considering the King's Chapel doesn't even have a perinant location and is mostly internet based, I'd also have to conclude that Knight is also a televangelist in the making. 

After reviewing his site more closely, I also have to say that his understanding of Ancient Greek is pitiful, at best. How its possible to equate Ancient Greek to Aeramic is far beyond the scope of reasonable thinking. He says that the direct translation from Genesis says that Eve had sex with Satan, which everyone knows is false, and because of this women are infirior. He also says that he's been through every Hebrew text avaliable... Too bad Genesis was originally only written in Aeramic. Also, unless he's a Rabbi, he hasn't seen that much original Hebrew text. I'd like to know how most of the scholars of the world could be wrong in the eyes of an uneducated cult leader. 

-The Mad Dr. Shock 



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2001 5:17 pm  
To:  RahabsHope   (3 of 10)  
 
  182.3 in reply to 182.1  
 
Hi RAHABSHOPE,

 

I am not familiar with the person or the material that you have mentioned. I do have to agree with your discernment that ANY teaching that places one person or group of people above another person or group of people is Un-Biblical.

 

Acts 17:26-28 And (God) hath made of one blood All Nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds (boundaries) of their habitations (nations); That they Should Seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be Not Far from Every One of Us: for in Him we live, and move and have our being..

 

God to His Glory has created us humans with differing appearances and differing abilities and differing personalities. Differences among people are Gods Creative Glory and not mans accomplishments over one another.

 

All of Mankind is Related and we all come from the same Parents in Adam and Eve and again we are all  related in Noah and His wife.

 

All Humans are Physically Very Similar, we are in the same Appearance, Yet on the Spiritual Level we are even more Closely related than Appearance as we are In the Same Image Spiritually of one another and we are in the same Spiritual Image with God. So physically we are close with some differences, but spiritually we are very similar one person to another.

 

The Bible refers to Jesus as Our Near Redeemer Meaning that Jesus is a Near or close Relative to Everyone and this is True as Jesus is God and we are Created in His Spiritual Image.

 

People should not just look at the physical appearance of People but we should always keep in mind that people are physical, spiritual, and soul in nature. When basing our relations with one another based on either the physical, spiritual, or the soul we are neglecting the Whole person and Neglecting to Follow God and His Bible.

 

God Creates every life and God calls Everyone into a relationship with Himself, and I again agree with you that teaching that restricts people from coming to Jesus is poor and dangerous teaching, as it is non-Biblical.

 

Thanks for the Post and the Info about the teaching.

 

God Bless You,

David





David A. Brown
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  From:  RahabsHope   8/28/2001 7:23 am  
To:  Dr_Shock   (4 of 10)  
 
  182.4 in reply to 182.2  
 
Thanks for your insight Dr. However, are you sure that Genesis 
was written in Aramaic? When I presented this fact to her, she got upset with me, speaking in a condescending matter...saying that 
I should know better. She said, how could Genesis be originally written in Aramaic when Moses was a Hebrew. He wrote the Genesis 
book in his language...not someone else's. 
Could you give me some insight on this issue?
 
  
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  From:  RahabsHope   8/28/2001 7:27 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (5 of 10)  
 
  182.5 in reply to 182.3  
 
Thank you David. The word of God is so reassuring. I felt your 
passion for righteousness as I was reading your post. I also 
appreciate the strong stand you take here on abortion. I stand with you also. 
again...thank you.
 
  
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  From:  Dr_Shock   8/28/2001 1:22 pm  
To:  RahabsHope   (6 of 10)  
 
  182.6 in reply to 182.4  
 
Aeramic is simply the oldest known form of "direct lineage" Hebrew (and most Middle Eastern languages) although completely different. Aeramic was most likely the language Jesus first spoke since the peoples of the Middle East saw Aeramic as the common man's language. The reason Hebrew became equated with the Jews, their religion, etc was because they started to use it as a common temple language during Roman oppression. There are still parts of modern Hebrew which resemble Aeramic very closely. 
The oldest known Hebrew texts of the Talmud are written in Aeramic (amongst these texts would be the Dead Sea Scrolls which are a little over half Aeramic). There have been very few copies of an ancient, authenticated Talmud written in Hebrew which didn't originally come from a known, older Aeramic source. Aeramic was just an overall more common language until the Romans came along. 

Historically speaking, Moses most likely didn't learn Hebrew until very, VERY late in his life if you take his upbringing into account. Oddly enough, Hebrew (even modern Hebrew) is one of those languages you have to be raised in to fully understand. Its very hard to become fluent in it otherwise. Many historians place the exodus around the time of Ramses II, in which case Hebrew didn't even exist yet as an individual, established language. Hebrew didn't evolve into its recognizable form until after the Jews returned to the Holy land. 

Also, considering the age of the matter, I'd have to say that no one can really say what language Genesis was originally written in. There haven't been that many cuniform tablets found and clay is a lot better for wear then animal skin parchment. Just because Moses was Hebrew doesn't mean he spoke what we today consider the language, just that he happened to be from a specific bloodline. The original Genesis, if it ever existed, could have been written in Hittite for all we know. 

Run a net search on the origin of Genesis and draw your own conclusions. Be careful, though. The Christian sites, the Jewish sites and the Muslim sites often disagree with one another.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/28/2001 4:41 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (7 of 10)  
 
  182.7 in reply to 182.6  
 
Dr. Shock

 

Lets not have the Hebrew History Rewrite on this topic.

 

Thanks.

 

Re: Hebrew as the Jewish Language.

 

The Jews are the Hebrews and they Spoke in their own native tongue of Hebrew. The Bible and Archeology are both adamant on that fact.

 

The sign placed above the head of Jesus written by Pilate (John 19:19) is in the three common Languages of the day, Greek, Latin (Roman), and Hebrew (Jewish). Aramaic was not written on the cross for the crowds of people to read, because the Jews spoke Hebrew not Aramaic.

 

Luke 23:38 And a superscription was also written over Him (Jesus) in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, This is the King of the Jews.

 

The Apostle Paul addressed the Jews of Jerusalem in Hebrew. Paul witnessing of Jesus to the Jews, he wanted to make certain that he was heard and understood by the vast Jewish crowd that had gathered so he spoke in Hebrew.

 

Acts21:40 ..Paul (Apostle) stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people (Jews). And when there was made a great silence, he spoke unto them in the Hebrew tongue, saying, ..

 

Archeology has confirmed that the Language of Israel is Hebrew. Hebrew is the common language that was written on common household items that are excavated in Israel.

 

There is a movement to Deny the Jews their own Identity by Denying the Jewish Hebrew language and in doing so to attempting to deny the Jews their Homeland of Israel. People who are trying to do this are trying to deny that the Jews are Gods chosen people and that Jesus is Jewish a descendant of Abraham and of King David.

 

This is simply another of many inferior secular teachings that deny the Bible and the Deity of Jesus.

 





David A. Brown
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  From:  Dr_Shock   8/29/2001 2:26 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (8 of 10)  
 
  182.8 in reply to 182.7  
 
We're miscommunicating here. I said that Hebrew didn't evolve until after the exodus to Israel which you agreed with by saying that Hebrew was, indeed, the language of Israel. The main issue with Moses being the author of Genesis, however, is that if we're to assume that he actually wrote it then we also must assume that it was written before the Jews actually reached the promised land. Therefore, the books of Moses would have most likely been written in a language older then Hebrew. The archeological evidence Supports the idea that the Talmud was originally written in Aeramic before it was first written into Hebrew. 
Aeramic survived a long, long time after Hebrew came around. It was basically intergreated into Hebrew, Egyptian and other Middle Eastern languages rather then just dying out like Sumerian and Ancient Egyptian did. Somewhat like how Latin and ancient Greek were intergreated into the European languages to one degree or another. Aeramic, unlike ancient Hebrew, was spoken amongst a greater overall group rather then just one race alone. The Middle East used to be a lot more divrse then it is today due to nomadic tribes and strict family bloodlines, however certian languages were kept around as common trade languages. 

Also, think about this: Pilate wrote the sign on the cross in Latin, Greek and Hebrew which were the first "Christian" languages. Pilate most likely knew who Jesus was, who his general following was and had probably kept a close eye on him. After all, Jesus was a guy who had been causing trouble for every political system around since the day of his birth! When Pilate killed Jesus, one of two things can be assumed depending on which Gospel you read: 1.) He killed Jesus to make a statement to his followers (mostly those who spoke Greek and Hebrew dialects) that dishonor towards Rome was punishable by death. 
2.) Pilate actually had second thoughts about killing Jesus but the Jews convinced him to do it. Thus the sign was written in those three languages so that the Jews would be happy. 

No matter how you slice it, Jesus probably knew both Hebrew and Aeramic, however he most likely first learned Aeramic from his parents, being the common man's language. His step father (Joseph) was a carpenter. He had to know how to communicate efficiently with everyone just for the sake of his trade.


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/29/2001 4:53 pm  
To:  Dr_Shock   (9 of 10)  
 
  182.9 in reply to 182.8  
 
 

Abraham is called out and separated by God. Abraham is the first Circumcised Jew. The Hebrew Covenants and Promises of God are given to Abraham. Abraham is the Father of the Hebrew/Jewish nation and Abraham is referred to as a Hebrew. Abraham being a Hebrew spoke his own Hebrew Language as well as any other Languages of his youth and area.

 

Genesis 14:13 And there came one that had escaped, and told Abram (Abraham) the Hebrew..

 

Genesis 41:12 and there was with us (in prison) a young man (Joseph), a Hebrew,

 

Exodus 1:15 And the King of Egypt spoke to the Hebrew midwives ..

 

God created and destined the Jews from the beginning to be a unique Nation and that is MOST specific about their Hebrew Language, because it is through their Hebrew language that God would reveal Himself to mankind in the written words of the Old Testament Bible.

 

 

 

 





David A. Brown
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   From:  Dr_Shock   8/30/2001 2:32 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 10)  
 
  182.10 in reply to 182.9  
 
You're forgetting that the Hebrew ego first rose from the idea that their language was the language God himself used to create everything. See Sepher Yetzirah for details (it can be found readily online). This is the reason only Rabbi knew Hebrew fluently for the longest time. It was the language of God and was the temple language. Even in modern (yet traditional) Hebrew Synagougs (sp?) its not considered good form to speak another language while at temple. 
The Hebrews not only claimed to have knowledge of how creation happened, but that they had the power of God themselves. This is one of the reasons why they've had so many problems through the years. 

Do any of those quotes outright mention the language which these people were speaking? No, only that the people speaking wer Hebrew. I can be a Mexican who speaks English but does that make me English? Historical record still upholds the fact that Hebrew, although an antique language, is relatively new as a common lingo, as are most modern Middle Eastern languages. 

Most of God's messengers were commen folk. To say that God created them outright with this knowledge just for being Hebrew would uphold the idea that the Christians and Muslims are wrong while the Jews got it right. 

(As a subnote, its been proven that Abraham wasn't the first Jew, hence why most Jewish traditions no longer claim him as the first, but rather as the guy who brought it to the people.)


-The Mad Dr. Shock
 
  
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